For 45 years, since my last year of high school, I’ve been inspired by the idea of the Great Conversation. I suppose it began when Mortimer Adler asked me, in How to Read a Book, wouldn’t I like to attend a university in which Plato lectured on philosophy, Shakespeare on poetry, and so on; and if so, all I had to do was learn how to read the Great Books. I pursued this ideal for many years until finally, in 1989, I became a trainer for the Great Books Foundation.
Over the last 20 years I have led book groups in bookstores, churches, libraries, and for a year in a maximum security prison. For four-and-a-half years my wife and I co-led a Great Books group in a mental hospital. Eleven years ago we started a group in a bookstore that continues to this day with an average attendance of about 15 people each month. For about 18 months we had a Henry James Club that existed as an adjunct to the main group, and now, similarly, we have a Novels Group. You can, by the way, see a list of what we’ve discussed and what we plan to discuss during the coming year at http://geocities.com/gbgnv.
How does a book make it onto our list? I don’t have a clear opinion of what makes a book great, and I find discussions of what should be in the “canon” tedious—though I suppose this must make up at least a part of the Great Conversation—but I think I’ve developed over the years a sense of what makes a book “worthy” or “worthwhile,” that is, worth the time and attention of my group. As a consequence every one of my monthly group’s discussions is lively and meaningful, or at least a solid exchange of ideas among members.
Everyone, of course, has preferences as to whom he wants to “converse” with. For me, staples in the Great Conversation are Plato, Shakespeare, George Eliot, Henry James, John Dewey, three mystery writers (Agatha Christie, Tony Hillerman, and Jane Langton), and any number of writers about psychology and psychotherapy, including Carl Rogers, Albert Ellis, Heinz Kohut, Sigmund Freud, and others. (I worked for 10 years as a therapist at a community mental health center.) As a young man I spent hours immersed in the Bible and other religious literature. On the other hand, at the top of my “Writers I Hope to Never Read Again” list are Nietzsche and Kant. Obviously others who join in the Great Conversation will have different lists. Part of the fun is getting opinions on who to talk to.
What is the point of the Great Conversation? Why do you engage in it? What is its value? Robert Maynard Hutchins wrote a small book on the subject, which I haven’t read for a while. (It’s somewhere on the shelves of the Great Books Foundation.) A single sentence that inspires me comes from Matthew Arnold, quoted by Henry James in The Art of Fiction: “[Criticism’s] business is simply to know the best that is known and thought in the world, and, by its turn, making this known, to create a current of true and fresh ideas.” This “miracle of dialogue” (to use the title of a book by Reuel Howe which has inspired me since I first read it in the ‘60s) seems to me the best way for us to fulfill the excellence of being human—Plato’s virtue or arête.
Don, Do you agree with Adler's position that Plato and Shakespeare (in particular) are somehow "lecturing" to us? I can see a Treatise being more of that... but dialogues, plays, poetry and sonnets??
ReplyDeleteIf they are not lectures... why do we feel so indebted to them as teachers?
Encountering great minds
ReplyDeleteThank you, my friend, for being the first respondent to this blog. I think your point is well taken—that is, the point I think is implied in the question. I must be assuming that, from close study, we can derive insights from Plato’s dialogues and Shakespeare’s poems that “instruct” us. Or would you feel more comfortable just saying Mr. Shakespeare is coming to read his poetry to us?
The fact of the matter is that over the last year or so, with Plato and Shakespeare in particular, I have been trying to “encounter the mind” of these wise personages—to have a meeting of the minds with them, so to speak. To the extent I have done that I’ve “learned” from them in substantial and significant ways. I suppose that’s how I currently understand Adler’s challenging offer. Does this make sense?
I probably won’t respond to every posting immediately—I hope a dialogue with multiple voices may emerge—but I felt your comment deserved a prompt reply. Thanks again.
I am not sure what it means to 'encounter the mind' of someone. But I do know that the only chance I have of getting to know Plato or Shakespeare is by reading what they've left.
ReplyDeleteI've not yet read anything by either where they engage in direct discourse, trying to tell us exactly what they think (Kriko's 'treatise').
Has the time I've spent reading their works been well spent? I think so. Have I spent time on less worthy endeavors? ABSOLUTELY.